Er...??!

[freeradical9]

Seme/uke meme via erinmacha

The SEME or UKE Quiz created with QuizFarm.com

You scored as The Breaker SEME You are the most imaginative, helpful, and strong-hearted SEME out there. You can be quiet and helpful at the same time which is a rarity. You're good at listening to others and you don't deny their ideas. One thing you can't stand is seeing someone sad, crying, or otherwise unhappy. Those who think you're shy aren't always the most right but it's true you don't need to talk much unless you have something important to say. You would be paired with the Sorrowful UKE because everyone needs a shoulder to cry on and you're just the guy/gal for the job. It's best to avoid the Homicidal SEME but even if you do that it's easy for someone as calm and helpful as you to get mixed up in the schemes of the certain Devilish UKE. You are truly best placed with the Gentle SEME as a buddy. For my last info, I have to say that you really don't mind and will go with the flow - whatever your partner is into is fine by you but considering who you're best matched with I'd say that they'd be too scared to do anything out of the ordinary. Give them a little nudge to let 'em know it's alright, okay? The Breaker SEME 80% The Optimistic UKE 75% The Gentle SEME 75% The Sorrowful UKE 65% The Devilish UKE 30% The Homicidal SEME 20%

Okay, yes. I guess after taking a Myers-Briggs type indicator test recently, it fits. But...seme? Hmm. A bit ironic, actually, since I was just pondering the other day the quandary of why I seem to write so much 85 when 58 makes more sense to me in light of canon interactions. Still, switching is good.

Strange.

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They seem to think I'm Gonou! o_O

[smillaraaq.livejournal.com]

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You scored as The Homicidal SEME You are the truly highest level of SEME as well as the most dangerous and sadistic. You love to force others to do your bidding and have absolutely no clue what others mean by 'feeling sorry'. You like the dark, evil, and heartless but nothings fun if you don't get to break it. You will not tolerate others pushing you around and an easy word for your personality is bossy. You could skip the romance and get right to the bed if you wanted to but then again you never even need the romantic-hoo-ha and that's why you're matched with he Devilish UKE. All UKE fear you in some way but that's jut how you like it. You could never befriend anyone that your little Devil-UKE didn't show you to which means the only SEME you would get along with would be the Breaker SEME. It has been established that you are the kinkiest kink in all of kink-town but one thing you really love is to make your partner beg and to punish them. Don't be afraid, be insane.

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The Homicidal SEME 80% The Optimistic UKE 75% The Sorrowful UKE 70% The Breaker SEME 70% The Gentle SEME 65% The Devilish UKE 50%

_{But I'm really more of a switch, honest...}

A bit ironic, actually, since I was just pondering the other day the quandary of why I seem to write so much 85 when 58 makes more sense to me in light of canon interactions.

Mmmmm, how so? This could make for some very very interesting meta...

(There are aspects of the canon characterization that I can pretty much see as arguments in either direction for both guys, although that may very well be my own goggles filtering it through my preference for switchiness rather than a set-in-stone seme/uke dynamic. Well, except for youkai!Hakkai, who I can't help but see as much, much more of a natural top...)

Re: They seem to think I'm Gonou! o_O

[erinmacha.livejournal.com]

Or Ukoku. O.o!!!! LOL - the picture has green eyes! Maybe it is Gonou! *FLEEEEEEES!!!*

Re: They seem to think I'm Gonou! o_O

[freeradical9.livejournal.com]

Oh dear!

But look! There's only a 5% difference between the score for the Homicidal Seme and the Optimistic Uke. Bizarre. O_o

There are aspects of the canon characterization that I can pretty much see as arguments in either direction for both guys, although that may very well be my own goggles filtering it through my preference for switchiness rather than a set-in-stone seme/uke dynamic.

I think the aspect of switchiness is one of the really cool things about the pairing. ...Because I suspect they'd both tend to be fairly open-minded and willing to explore variety in a relationship.

Well, except for youkai!Hakkai, who I can't help but see as much, much more of a natural top...

Ahaha! Too true. (I think louiselux has a fic that convincingly pulls off Youkai!Hakkai bottoming for Gojyo, but I can't think of any others offhand).

Eep! I'm gonna be late for work. More later. ^_^

Re: They seem to think I'm Gonou! o_O

[smillaraaq.livejournal.com]

Yep...and there's enough of a variety of views in the English-speaking fandom that even if a particular writer you like has a definite seme/uke preference for the boys, well, you can always hunt down someone who switches them around and still wind up with a sense of balance as a reader, if that's how your tastes run.

(The Japanese fandom, OTOH, judging by the doujinshi scans and circle webpages I've seen, is much more strongly focused on Gojyo/Kenren as semes; I think Shinkai Ni Sumu may be the only thing I can think of off the top of my head where you have a seme-ish Hakkai, and it's of course wildly AU. But from what I've seen Japanese fandom (and published yaoi canons) is not so big on the switchiness in genreal; seme/uke roles tend to be pretty firmly set.)

And ha, yes, "Mutability", that's the same one I was thinking of! I want to say I've seen a few other uke-youkai-Hakkai fics here and there, but Louise sets a pretty high standard for them to live up to...

Although speaking of balance, in a more general sense that may be some of the appeal of reading/writing 85 vs. 58? In the canon setting we mostly see Hakkai's more soft-spoken, self-effacing side, and Gojyo's brashly confident persona. 85 is a bit of a reversal showing aspects that are more usually hidden, Hakkai being blatantly demanding and Gojyo being openly vulnerable. I've discussed this idea a fair bit in the past with kispexi2 in particular, how it seems like one thing that tends to drive a lot of the urge to fic is to fill in things that aren't provided in the series, balance it out somewhat -- exploring relationships that never move beyond subtext in canon, looking at the dark side of a cracky comedy series or the lighter side of something unrelievedly dark, filling in unanswered plot questions, etc. So playing with the flip side of the dynamic we see between them more often in canon might be part of what gives it the 85 that extra charge.

[erinmacha.livejournal.com]

I do know they got the 'uke' part right about me. As far as kink goes? The quiz was a long way off.

[freeradical9.livejournal.com]

LOL! Yeah, I think having only 6 choices is an issue. Also, I think we got the same top 3 (both with only 5% separating Optamistic Uke from Breaker Seme). ^_^

[avierra.livejournal.com]

I was a Breaker Seme ;D

LOL At Smilla being a Homicidal Seme ;D

[freeradical9.livejournal.com]

Chomiji is right, definitely a pattern here! :D

[smillaraaq.livejournal.com]

Kinkiest kink in Kinktown? Ah well, I guess there's worse things to be... *world-weary sigh*

_{I swear I'm really not that scary in real life! Honest! How can anyone be frightened of someone who at any given moment is carrying around what might well be the LD50 of Sanrio chara goods?}

[avierra.livejournal.com]

Oh! I missed this:


Okay, yes. I guess after taking a Myers-Briggs type indicator test recently, it fits. But...seme? Hmm. A bit ironic, actually, since I was just pondering the other day the quandary of why I seem to write so much 85 when 58 makes more sense to me in light of canon interactions. Still, switching is good.

I like 85 because Hakkai is a control freak, and I don't see why that wouldn't extend to the bedroom either. Gojyo is more outgoing/easygoing than Hakkai, and I think he'd pretty much go along with whatever made Hakkai more comfortable. I do think he'd top from the bottom though, at least some of the time. Or they'd switch it up occassionally. But I think Hakkai would take control most of the time, just as he does when they're on the road and there's something he wants Gojyo to do (or not).

MY THOUGHTS ON YAOI, LET ME SHOW YOU IT

[smillaraaq.livejournal.com]

Pretty much in agreement with all that, although in my usual overthinky way my views on the possible dynamic are fairly complicated and ambiguous. Teal Deer alert, abandon all hope ye who don't care for meta by the bucket...

In my personal fanon, I assume Kanan was Gonou's first and only sexual partner to date -- he was such a weird, intense, unsociable kid that I have trouble seeing him even playing doctor as a child or having an experimental teen phase back in the orphanage. He just doesn't seem the sort for casual friendly flings to me; he needs an intense emotional connection to even let anyone get that close, and at that point he'd be just obsessive (and possessive) towards the loved one. So, no prior same-sex experience -- but given that he had no problems shrugging off societal conventions about incest, I really, really don't think that finding himself in love with/attracted to a man would require a huge mental adjustment on his part; he'd sort of shrug, file it away mentally as yet another quirk of human nature, and move on. If there's any character who would be the sort to say he's falling for a soul or personality and the gender of the body housing it is irrelevant, Hakkai is one who I could honestly believe that was the honest truth rather than a lofty-sounding cliche.

Gojyo, while we know from canon is an enthusiastic ladies' man, my fanon is that he's had at least a few same-sex experiences -- hustling for survival in his younger days, and quite possibly something with Banri. I don't think that he would ever want to admit to it, and wouldn't self-identify as bi -- he's got so many self-image problems already, I think he'd be one who would really struggle with the idea that same-sex attraction/experience might make him seem weak or unmanly, some how. Also, while he's slept around the block and back, I don't think he's ever been in love -- at least, not with anyone who ever loved him back; perhaps there may have been the odd one-sided crush here or there, but I don't get the feeling he's ever been with anyone who really wanted him for more than a good-looking easy lay.

So just as far as sheer variety of experience goes, I'd think Gojyo has Hakkai beat; he's done more and kinkier stuff just as a matter of opportunity; but like Avi notes, I think he's so easygoing and willing to please that a lot of the kink is less about him being kinked to the bone, and more about him being a total "sure, why not?" try-anything sort who'll go along with just about anything that seems to make a partner happy. I don't tend to think he has any problems with it, and probably enjoys it quite a bit, but he'd also probably be pretty happy even with just totally vanilla stuff; so long as everybody's getting off and he's getting ego-boosting feedback on his performance, it's all good. I can see him being a fairly enthusiastic consumer of porn, but it'd all be the most mass-market commercial sort of magazine and video stuff.

Hakkai, on the other hand...he may not have had the chance to do nearly as much, but I suspect that between his esoteric reading, penchant for the most random instructional materials and his twisty twisty mind, he's spent a LOT of time thinking about things, and not all that thinking may have been totally vanilla. He's a control freak, he can be quite subtly manipulative when he wants, he clearly has no problems with doing something he wants even if society says it's sick and wrong... Add in all of his screamingly huge guilt and punishment issues, the tight repression and control of that wild, violent id-youkai side, and oh yeah let's not forget the stoic self-mutilation, and my BDSM-potential kinkdar just pings right off the freakin' scale. Gojyo can maybe recite all the measurements of his favorite centerfolds, but Hakkai's the one who seems like he might have pored over the most arcane bits of the Kama Sutra and Taoist sex manuals, or read De Sade in the original...

Re: MY THOUGHTS ON YAOI, LET ME SHOW YOU IT

[avierra.livejournal.com]

Gojyo, while we know from canon is an enthusiastic ladies' man, my fanon is that he's had at least a few same-sex experiences -- hustling for survival in his younger days, and quite possibly something with Banri.

Yeah, I have thought from day 1 that Gojyo probably turned tricks as a kid. I mean, realistically what else is a 12-year-old going to do to survive? (I wonder if this is why Minekura hasn't gone too much into Gojyo's past... that maybe a a Bit Much, and hey, we can all read between the lines pretty well).

As for Banri, it was really driven home to me in the Burial OVA that Banri was at least bisexual. I hadn't realized from reading the manga what it was he was doing when he was sort of looking at Hakkai side-long with his hand raise. But in the OVA, he's actually shown running the back of his hand along Hakkai's face in a sort of caress (well, we all know how well that went ;P ). Also, flemmings had some sort of write up about that (which I can't find now, of course) where she said that the whole subtext of all that is that Banri is commenting that Gojyo has changed where he does his business, e.g. from Banri to Hakkai. So, word.

I hope they run across Banri again. He is such an unrepentant bastard, what's not to love. :D

Hakkai is the kink-meister, eh? I have always thought so. ;D I am not sure he and Gojyo would get into S&M though, I think that might be hugely issue-laden for Gojyo. D/s, sure, there is already elements of that in their relationship. Bondage, maybe, heck, some of that isn't even all that kinky really.

I totally agree with your comments about uke-Hakkai being so only because it would be what he wants. And yeah, totally topping from the bottom (funny how I see both of them doing that, hahaha)

TL; DR, the sequel

[smillaraaq.livejournal.com]

So, on the one hand, it's very, very easy to see Hakkai as just a total uber-dom, and Gojyo being easy-going enough to just go with the flow. But at the same time...I can potentially see scenarios where Gojyo is so weirded out about falling seriously for a guy that he'd want to top just to keep things a little bit less threatening to his fragile self-image, and Hakkai being caring and understanding enough (and maybe scheming towards a long-term outcome) to go along with it even if he'd rather top. And Hakkai has that massive massive streak of guilt and self-denial, which I could also see pushing him towards not letting himself have everything he wants because he doesn't deserve it, or he's afraid that he's tempting fate if he's too happy. And with the fussy caretaking side and the terror of losing control, he might be worried that his being in a seme role would be dangerous for Gojyo -- this is pretty much the main aspect in which I can manage to bend my brain around an uke-youkai!Hakkai.

Although if you wanna talk topping from the bottom, that's pretty much the way I see an uke Hakkai in almost any permutation. Gojyo's emotionally needier and Hakkai can think circles around him or subtly manipulate him into doing what he wants; if Hakkai's on the bottom, it's because he *wants* to be there, one way or another.

Meta meta meta!

[freeradical9.livejournal.com]

I'd agree with Hakkai being a control freak, and especially agree with the bit about topping from the bottom. The part that makes me wonder about canon 85 is that, although Hakkai definitely has control issues, I don't think he really likes to be in charge. (Kind of related to Tenpou, who is a Marshal but doesn't like to give orders).

Hakkai *always* deferrs to Sanzo, even when he doesn't like it. When Gojyo goes after Kami-sama, Hakkai is pissed, but he follows Sanzo until Sanzo decides that they need to turn around. Also (reading lots into body language) when Sanzo leaves the rest of the ikkou and they're walking in the desert, I find it interesting that it's Gojyo who is physically in the lead of their little group. During the time Sanzo's gone, Hakkai makes lots of suggestions and practical observations, but I don't think he makes any decisions for the party as a whole.

IMHO, I don't think canon Hakkai likes publicly making choices for others; I think he prefers to manipulate others into making the choices for him.

(Of course, AU Hakkai is another matter entirely, because then one can dial down his need not to give orders, and dial up the other traits that would lead to the seme role) ^_^

[chomiji]

Another Breaker Seme here! I see a pattern ... .

Yes, I think smilla is well placed! (Now I need a Hakkai pic to insert!)

[smillaraaq.livejournal.com]

Heeeey, just because I have greenish eyes and a propensity to massive eyeliner abuse... *snickers*

_{(Icon-boy has green eyes too, not that you can see them here.)}

[freeradical9.livejournal.com]

Hee. Apparently all Saiyuki Breaker Semes have a finely attuned appreciation for 585. :D

Ooh yes, Hakkai pic! (Although the one above is very nice, indeed!) :)

Myers-Briggs

[avierra.livejournal.com]

Now I am all curious what everyone's M-B is. (INFP here. I think there's a lot of those on LJ.)

Re: Myers-Briggs

[stalkerbunny.livejournal.com]

Me too ^_^/
(Reading about this personality type actually reassured me about some things I've been slightly worried about. :P)
So do you think the internet (some circles of it in particular, maybe?) is particularly suitable for INFP's as a means of communication?
*intrigued*

Re: Myers-Briggs

[smillaraaq.livejournal.com]

Another INFP here -- we've actually got another little M-B thread going recently over in Cho's journal.

(And I just got your lovely postcard today, btw -- THANK YOU!)

Re: Myers-Briggs

[freeradical9.livejournal.com]

Ahahaha, I think I'm a bit of an oddball here among all of you INFPs. I test out as an ISTJ or ISFJ depending on the questionnaire (or phase of the moon or whatever).

Ah hah! I figured out the badge function. Voila:

(http://freeradical9.mypersonality.info)

Smilla's comment refers to This thread here (http://chomiji.livejournal.com/88913.html)

Ah ha, now we can finally do that badge lineup for easier comparison...

[smillaraaq.livejournal.com]

XD

[stalkerbunny.livejournal.com]

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You scored as The Optimistic UKE You are the kindest, most sweet, and cutest of all UKE kind. This is not really a bad thing, actually it's very good. You may be the lowest level of UKE but you are also the happiest and most adorable. You are often a fan of things you can snuggle with and cartoons will never grow boring for you. You smile a lot and nothing ever seems to get you down which makes you a great match for the Gentle SEME. Be warned, though, my Uke-friend.. rough times await you if a Homicidal SEME lingers too close. You would do well to befriend a Sorrowful UKE as I'm sure your happy-go-lucky attitude will balance out their depression. On my last note I will say that ropes, whips, and chains aren't your fancies even if they are tempting - I'd stick to just the simple stuff if I were you. The Optimistic UKE 80% The Gentle SEME 75% The Breaker SEME 70% The Homicidal SEME 40% The Sorrowful UKE 30% The Devilish UKE 10%

Well, that's...not so surprising. How did it know about the rope thing thought? :3
and...isn't everything worth trying once, eh? Jus saying >3>~

Re: XD

[smillaraaq.livejournal.com]

So you're supposed to run far, far away from me...but your rating was the same one I got as a second-closest match? *brain reboots*

Re: XD

[freeradical9.livejournal.com]

Nice! (And the picture is quite artistic, so very fitting as well.) :D